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Ross

Oh yeah... that's why I don't watch "Lost"

Posted by Ross Mar. 3, 2008 @ 2:23 PM EST

I've been aware of Lost since it started, but never watched it consistently. I like the premise, and it's certainly entertaining, but I got sick of the whole "here are five more crazy plot developments, but we're not explaining any of them" thing.

Then I got a DVR a few months back and realized that I didn't really have much to record - outside of Daily Show, Colbert Report, and Meet The Press, there's not a lot on TV that I think is worth taking time to watch. But part of my problem with "Lost" was that I kept missing episodes, so when it came back on the air, I decided to DVR it and see if that made a difference.

This past weekend I got caught up on the last three shows, and it made me appreciate that very little has changed. The notion that the plane crash and the island aren't what they appear to be is tantalizing, but I'm not interested in having my emotions manipulated and dragged out over the course of 20 episodes to reach the payoff (which probably won't come anyway). And the characters on "Lost" no longer seem to mind that all this stuff happens, but they get no explanations? That baffles me.

Contrast that with my all-time favorite show The Sopranos. Each episode of "Sopranos" was like a mini-movie - rarely, if ever, did it end on a cliffhanger. I tuned in each week because I wanted more of its complex writing and nuanced character development - not "oooh I have to watch next week to find out what the deal is with the people on the helicopter" and of course, the following week, you get only enough little hints to keep you watching the week after that.

I see "Lost" as this carrot on a stick that's perpetually dangling just out of reach. Which is fine, I suppose, but if I'm spending time in front of the TV, I want more than to just be blue-balled into watching the next week's episode.

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Mar. 3, 2008 | 2:36 PM Cheddar79 says:

You are damn right. 100% on this one. Lost sucks balls and every episode is a teaser for another storyline that won't progress until about 8 episodes down the line.

I the draw was the 'plane crash' then the story got old very fast. Plus each episode begins with series of clips from the previous episode and ends with clips from the next episode making the show last about 15 mins. I salute you and this post.


Mar. 3, 2008 | 2:41 PM CaptainBob says:

I never have watched Lost...I've wanted to rent the first season or something, just to see what is so awesome about it, but I do read a lot of people such as yourself complaining about the never ending twists without explaination.

Jericho has some similarities to Lost, but the twists are actually explained, and it has great character development. Best show on TV right now by far, IMO.

Writing and producing a show that is a serial would take a lot of careful planning and work, espically to keep the audience interested over a long period of time. Alias was a serial in a lot of ways but also had self-contained episodes. The last season of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine was a fantastic serial.

Mar. 3, 2008 | 3:34 PM Ross responds:

"Jericho" - that's the post-nuclear holocaust show, right? Isn't it about to be cancelled?


Mar. 3, 2008 | 3:25 PM Tystarr says:

This is why HEROES is the sh!t.

Mar. 3, 2008 | 3:30 PM Ross responds:

I'm probably the biggest comics nerd who hasn't seen "Heroes". Maybe I'll DVR that and give it a shot when new episodes come back on the air.


Mar. 3, 2008 | 3:38 PM SaltshakerClock says:

Eh, i like Lost, and i love CliffHangers.

But there are some other shows making big deal of nothing, like Eli Stone.


Mar. 3, 2008 | 3:59 PM lilhunter03 says:

I never really liked "lost" Since if you would miss one episode you had no idea what was happening. Which is also my excuse for soap Operas.


Mar. 3, 2008 | 4:07 PM Sir-Nuts says:

Lost is sure a great series in my opinion, but I agree that sometimes it goes like a loop: every new episode is a continuation of the other, and it never ends. I mean, if you miss one, you'll get "lost". They're searching for something that I think even they don't know what it is. It was better in the first two seasons, but from now on it got repetitive.

The 4th season starts today here, and I hope it's better than the last one. They have so many things going on that even the writters got inspired and "lost" themselves.

Whatever, Heroes is still better.


Mar. 3, 2008 | 4:18 PM bob says:

Except that the character development on Lost is just as good as that on the Sopranos, only at a slower rate of one character per hour.

Mar. 3, 2008 | 4:40 PM Ross responds:

No way. Not even close.


Mar. 3, 2008 | 4:29 PM vagins says:

I used to be the most devoted Lost fan you'll ever know, but as other, better shows have been introduced to my rotation (Heroes, House, and now Dexter in particular) I'm beginning to see the cracks and flaws in the series. I do feel jerked around by it, but I still can't stop watching. And I like the addition of sci-fi elements to spice things up. Also, Brian K Vaughan (Runaways, Ex Machina) is writing for them now, so I have my fingers crossed that he gets the series back on track.

Mar. 3, 2008 | 5:04 PM Ross responds:

I agree about the sci-fi stuff, and I like BKV, but I don't think any one writer is enough to change the "jerk you around" trajectory of the show.

Is that "Dexter" a censored version of the one from Showtime? He's a good-guy serial killer, right?


Mar. 3, 2008 | 6:04 PM Luigi77777 says:

I watched Lost at first... But then it just lost its touch when the started finding houses. And why would they allow people to bring guns into the plane? I'm sure if I walked into an airport with an AN94 they sure wouldn't let me in...


Mar. 3, 2008 | 6:29 PM WritersBlock says:

It's all about ratings to them. It's just like Desperate Housewives and American Idol, and all those other shows that are just made to get the highest ratings. It's crap, it's pathetic. They tell us what we like, and and play it till we agree with them, plot twist, plot twist, plot twist. It's so damn annoying, "tune in to next week for annother action packed episode", it's just the same as 24, there's nothing genuine about the show, it's just another blockbuster that no-one would care about if it got cancelled, it won't stand the test of time.

Lost is one of the most pathetic shows on TV at the moment, which is saying a lot, because there are so many shows just like Lost, just there to play the ratings game. Pathetic.

Mar. 3, 2008 | 6:59 PM Ross responds:

I don't think the fact that TV is all about ratings is news to anybody. But that doesn't mean that every show is created equal.

Though I do wonder if it will stand the test of time. Like I can watch any given "Sopranos" episode and be engrossed. But with plot twists being such a big part of "Lost", will it really stand up to repeated viewings, once you know how it ends?

Updated: Mar. 3, 2008, 7:05 PM

Mar. 3, 2008 | 6:40 PM Wiiporter says:

Newgrounds is better than TV.


Mar. 3, 2008 | 6:41 PM Wurmy says:

Hmm but part of the business if making the viewers want to watch the next episode/part. Cliffhangers are one of the easier ways I guess.. I dunno I don't even watch TV anymore <_<


Mar. 3, 2008 | 6:49 PM schtic says:

The problem with Lost is that the plot is so complecated, it's impossible to get new viewers interested.


Mar. 3, 2008 | 7:29 PM thegreatmorph says:

OMFGWTFANOTHERADMIN.

But yeah I grew sick of the volume of secrets that the show leaves unanswered, which is why I much prefer heroes, even if they are in similar layouts.


Mar. 3, 2008 | 8:24 PM Mogly says:

'Carrot on a stick' is the perfect way to sum up lost. I watched till the end of the third series and was quite enjoying it, but now after say 4 months have passed and I havent seen any of the new ones, i'm finding it hard to recall what was going on or what was interesting about it.

I think the best way to watch them & programs like 24 is one after the other. I watched Lost series 3 online after Sky/Virgin had a fallout (English broadcasters).

And you're right about the Sopranos too. I think back to episodes of them i've seen (just a couple) and it is truly like a mini movie. I remember them more like stories that I recall wheras with Lost i'm lost recalling it.


Mar. 3, 2008 | 9:09 PM cumSum says:

I totally agree with everything you said but I still can't stop watching it. I swear to god I'll get that carrot someday :(


Mar. 3, 2008 | 11:05 PM LtMcMuffin says:

SMOKE MONSTER OMG BBQ HAXORZ O_O
A few episodes before that is when I started watching it (my girlfriend made me watch it). That episode is when I stopped. Sadly, I didn't break up with my girlfriend the next day, but the relationship was virtually over at that point.

If you are a comic book guy, don't watch Heroes. Stick with the comic books, believe me, they produce much more entertainment. Save your DVR space (I use mine for just movies, political debates I'm going to miss, and Metalocalypse).


Mar. 3, 2008 | 11:50 PM ngfan14 says:

I watch lost and kind of like it but i have to agree with you. I don't like that the show doesn't explain any of the mysteries they make and they keep making more. When you watch a episode you have more question than answers than the last episode.


Mar. 4, 2008 | 12:39 AM WolfBlitz2 says:

i have a suggestion
go get a mountain bike, go through the bush and stuff TV
or go watch NCIS
I like it for some reason
or wath Spongebob Squarepants (unless you have a fear of sponges)


Mar. 4, 2008 | 1:19 AM Dazmi says:

At least you didn't turn to old cartoons when you saw a bad Tv show :3


Mar. 4, 2008 | 3:31 AM Tri-Nitro-Toluene says:

Lost stirke me as though it's been written by amateurs. They've done what every person who is new to writing in any form does; they come up with an idea they think it's really cool, throw it into the story wih no regard to how it fits in with everything else or what affect it will have on the charchters, then come up with another cool idea....Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

They really don't seem to have any clue what a story arc is, or how to affectivley use sub-plots. On top of that the charchters are annoying as hell.

Does it show that I'm not a fan?


Mar. 4, 2008 | 5:33 AM Cyberdevil says:

That's definatly the big difference, that you have to watch all the episodes to not get lost, you learn more and more as it goes along too. It reminds me of the movie Memento, if you've seen that? Where bits and pieces get puzzled together and eventually everything is clear. I never thought of that as a negative side to the series, it's what keeps me watching it. If each episode was seperate it wouldn't have the same suspense-building effect. Minifilms works great with comedies, but as I see it, not very well with action.

Mar. 4, 2008 | 1:06 PM Ross responds:

"Memento" was great, but there's a difference. I'm more than happy to give myself over to a movie for two hours - it's got a beginning and an end. But with "Lost" it just stretches out forever, over weeks/months/years, and that's a time investment I'm not willing to make. If I were younger, I'd probably be all about "Lost". But now that I'm older, and I realize that time is the scarcest and most precious resource - I just don't have the patience.


Mar. 4, 2008 | 7:37 AM WritersBlock says:

I tend to be really picky about what I watch on TV. I get turned off by the marketing schemes of shows like Lost. The whole "this is the best show on TV, on the edge of your seat, brilliant, mega, awesome, fantastic" it's just hyped up way too much that it probably might be watchable if it wasn't hyped so much. Right now, I feel that these blockbuster series' are very much aware of how good they are, and they just sound arrogant to me. And the way they're always talking about clues "keep your eye out for this/that, did you see this week's clue" and it's spelled out for everyone, like we're children. It's kind of like those teen spoof movies, the way they're based solely around crude humor, with a very weak plot line, it makes me cringe, because they're marketing it to teenagers, and I just feel offended that movie producers can put little to no effort into a script, toss in a few dirty jokes, and they'll expect all the kids to eat it up. And a lot of the kids that watch it like it for the jokes. Making a good TV series/movie seems to be easier now than it used to be. Is it that we are easier to please, or that more people are developing the talents to produce better shows and movies? I think that the standards have dropped, making it easier for more people to succeed. I hope that the majority of people still manage to recognise talent when they see it. For example, I've been watching the first series of the BBC show "The Office" on DVD. The plot, to be quite blunt, is mediochre, it's about people in an office, going about their normal day, a work social evening here, an office training session, no massive plot twists, but the thing I love about that show is that it's unique. For an average plot line, it's remarkably better than all the blockbuster shows I've watched. It's because the situations are so much like what you'd expect in real life, the show tells it like it is, the characters are genuine, they develop relationships that aren't cliches, they act in ways that aren't stereotypical, but they're more authentic, which is a rarity, and so I guess that if you can manage to capture a story in an original way, and tell it to the audience, as if the audience are intelligent people, then the chances are, they'll understand what's going on, and they'll appreciate the fact that they require some interpretation to understand the full meaning of the show.
If the TV industry treated the reviewers like competent adults, I think that the standards would improve considerably.

I thought that I should reposition my comments to sound more like an argument and less like a rant, I hate lots of shows, but lots of people love them, so there's good reasoning for shows like Lost to be made. Maybe I'm just too damn fussy. =/


Mar. 4, 2008 | 7:50 AM JonBro says:

HEROES pwns.

They actually take time to introduce characters if they throw any new ones into the show, and that doesn't happen all too often. Most of the episodes are like mini-movies with cliffhangers, and most of the cliffhangers hint not just to the next episode, but the possible outcome of the entire show. It actually makes it interesting =)

My teacher loves "LOST" and I don't know why.


Mar. 4, 2008 | 8:47 AM Saint-Jesus says:

How dare you! You are so wong about it, You have just said all the good things about it then called it bad.


Mar. 4, 2008 | 12:38 PM Objection says:

Saint-Jesus, what you think is good isn't necessarily what other people think is good. One man's trash and all that.

Mar. 5, 2008 | 2:26 AM Ross responds:

Word.


Mar. 4, 2008 | 5:35 PM Sterance says:

Ross, I recommend you watch the first season. It's much more fun to watch them on dvd because you don't have to wait for the cliffhangers to be resolved. Also, the character development is much better in that season (but nowhere close to sopranos).

Really the only reason i watch Lost is because i started watching it and i've seen every episode. I am addicted to seeing the mystery solved!

Mar. 5, 2008 | 2:26 AM Ross responds:

.... which is exactly what the show's creators are going for - to make you addicted and compelled to come back each week hoping to get more clues about the overarching mystery. But do I really want to watch 4+ seasons worth of that? Not really. That's a huge amount of time in front of the TV - more than I'm willing to spend on something like this.


Mar. 5, 2008 | 9:12 AM ChuckDaKnife says:

I don't watch Lost because, just like Ross, I think that you need to spend a lot of your time, and I'm not wiling to spend it.

My greatest fear is the possibility of the show being cancelled without a proper end, or ending in a cliffhanger, or, in the better case, that some misteries remain unsolved.
If that happens, then all the time spent watching the show would have been a total waste.

However, when the show ends, if it did get a proper ending,
I will probably watch it on DVD.


Mar. 5, 2008 | 9:46 AM CcZero says:

I agree with you but i keep watching it anyway... It's actually aired tonight in 5 hours and 15 min ( I live in SWE )! I sure as hell want that carrot.


Mar. 5, 2008 | 10:19 PM liquidfire666 says:

Ya the show is so annoying the main reason for me is beacuse my computer apps. teacher watches it so hes almost always saying somethng about it in class/

i tryed to watch it but it just got old


Mar. 6, 2008 | 4:49 PM The-Swain says:

If you hate a lack of any noticeable development and no actual payoff to look forward to, then never watch Heroes. And I know it's the same jackass making them.

Mar. 6, 2008 | 6:43 PM Ross responds:

Actually, that's not true. "Lost" is JJ Abrams, but "Heroes" is some guy named Tim Kring, who also helped write "Misfits of Science" in the 1980s! If they released that on DVD, I'd buy it immediately. (Same with "Manimal".)


Mar. 7, 2008 | 9:12 AM willy-wizz says:

I agree with you on everything, which is worrying.
If you like Sopranos and you don't like Lost chances are you wont enjoy Heroes. This will be especially true if you enjoy well written superheroes from people like Grant Morrison and Alan Moore.
Heroes can be fun and is definitely more tolerable than Lost but its just too decompressed and would never warrant a second viewing, unlike Sopranos which demands to be watched endlessly until your panic attacks coincide with Tony's.

Mar. 7, 2008 | 2:19 PM Ross responds:

"Unlike Sopranos which demands to be watched endlessly until your panic attacks coincide with Tony's."

Very well-put. :) For each episode, I used to watch "Sopranos" from 9-10 PM and then watch it again on the west coast HBO from 12-1 AM. And then usually watch it a third time during the week. There was just so much interesting stuff going on, and it felt so real. And when Tony's world seemed on the brink of collapse after the 2nd-last episode, and we had to wait to find out how it ended... I became neurotic.


Mar. 8, 2008 | 12:03 AM LTcolor says:

I do not mind the show. It is okay. I just not caring as much for this new season. I also just DVR, but lately can't find anything to record so I feel like that it complete waste.


Mar. 8, 2008 | 8:04 PM MrKickyourbutt says:

Lost is a show for the patient. For people who enjoy the journey as much as the destination. I just love watching the show. Although I would like them to, I would continue the show even if they didn't answer every question.

I can understand why some people don't like it, though. You sound like nothing will change your mind about the show, but I'd still like like to inform everyone else that there are only 30 some odd episodes left in the entire series. So I wouldn't be surprised if most of the current mysteries will be solved by the end of this season.

Also, the 2nd season of Heroes totally blew. It was a mass of stupidity covered by a thick layer of cheese. I'm in college, so I used to watch it with a bunch of other people. There were about 75 people watching the premier, by the finale it was just me and this other guy.

Mar. 9, 2008 | 9:56 PM Ross responds:

"You sound like nothing will change your mind about the show." My problem with the show is its format, so unless that changes, you're correct. I'm down with your line about the journey, but I think a five-year journey is too much to ask.

When this season started and I first saw the flash-forwards, I thought it was a really neat idea, and finally now maybe there'd be some closure on something, anything. Then I realized that it was just more of the same - crazy plot developments and nothing explaining how, what, or why. "Lost" forces you to be patient far past the point at which I'm willing to devote myself to a TV show.

Here's a good example of what annoys me on the show: I read recently that one of the notable techniques on "The Sopranos" was that they almost never used incidental music, the little bits of music that usually convey excitement, calm, romance, tension, etc. I didn't realize that before, but as soon as I read it, it made sense, because "Sopranos" always felt so real to me - like it could easily be a real person's life, and just as there is no incidental music in real life, there was none in the show.

Last week watching "Lost", I paid attention to the music. And, lo and behold, they are *constantly* hitting you with that "tension" or "excitement" music, and most of the time, nothing of consequence is happening in the scene. It feels cheap and manipulative - the way I view the show overall.

One big five-season-long cliffhanger certainly will get people coming back. But to me, it doesn't begin to approach the art in something like "The Sopranos".


Mar. 8, 2008 | 11:20 PM Vectore says:

lol lost is funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YPL_e 2jgHw

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