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Why I support Barack Obama for president.

Posted by Ross Feb. 10, 2008 @ 4:22 PM EST

I was raised in a family with strong liberal values, and when I turned 18 I registered as a Democrat. Over time I grew disillusioned with our two-party system (Ralph Nader, for whom I voted in 2000, has lots to say about this), so when I moved to New Jersey in 2005, I decided to register as an independent. However, last Tuesday, I re-registered as a Democrat so I could vote in the NJ primary for Barack Obama.

Why'd I vote for him? Here are my top three reasons:

1. Iraq
My number one issue remains the catastrophic mistake being perpuated in Iraq (as Iraq had no connection with Al Qaeda and posed no threat to us, and the fighting has killed more Americans than 9/11 and tens of thousands of Iraqis, cost hundreds of billions of dollars, and provides ideological ammunition to our enemies). And in light of this, I favor the candidate who correctly predicted the outcome of the Iraq debacle - in 2002, six months before the actual invasion. The idealist in me likes Ron Paul's approach ("just come home") but I know it's not that simple, and I think the guy who saw Iraq for what it was from day one should be given a chance to end it.

2. Electability
While I respect Hillary Clinton, I also realize that she's been inspiring animosity in her political opponents for the last 15 years and is right-wing arch-enemy number one. Where Obama broadens the appeal of a liberal/moderate approach to politics, Hillary drives everyone but establishment Democrats away from it. I really feel like Obama would win big in November against John McCain, whereas Hillary would energize Republicans and face an uphill battle. Plus, I'm not a fan of this Bush / Clinton / Bush / Clinton thing. If this election's about "change", then I'll go with the guy who's got change in his DNA.

3. Character
You have to be smart to get to the top of national politics, but from hearing Obama speak and reading about his views, I'm convinced that he's unusually intelligent (and obviously eloquent). I know this doesn't appeal to the people who vote for the guy they'd most like to have a beer with, but I'd rather have the smartest guy we can find, the one most capable of getting people together, and I think that's Obama in 2008.

Of course, it's not all peaches and cream. Obama is inexperienced in national/world politics, and I think his "yes we can" stump speeches about unity are mostly fluff. Some people would say America isn't ready for a black president (though I disagree). And my views don't dovetail with his on everything (though if you agree 100% with any candidate, you're an automaton). Even with all that, I still think Obama's the best choice for the job.

However it plays out, I see the election this November as win-win - McCain is among my favorite Republicans, and he'd be a major upgrade over what we have now (though I have serious reservations about his stance on Iraq). And I think Hillary would make a fine president. But Obama is a true political rockstar, the type of guy who doesn't come along that often, and I think he deserves a chance to show us what he can do.

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Feb. 10, 2008 | 4:33 PM SaltshakerClock says:

I support Obama all the way as well. Because all the other candidates seem like they would make the country worse if they were elected.

Feb. 10, 2008 | 4:53 PM Ross responds:

I don't know if that's necessarily true - people love to predict gloom and doom if the candidate they don't support wins. Remember all the people who said they'd move to Canada if George Bush won reelection in 2004? And yet, while he's made a lot of mistakes, everyone's still here and the USA isn't defunct quite yet.


Feb. 10, 2008 | 4:39 PM Kangman says:

Ha alot people seems to like Obama and I personally support him. Why?

1.I really like his immigration policy to give those illegal immigrants a chance to become legal immigrants. I think it's a little bit more realistic then putting a giant fence to border Mexico or hiring millions of men to guard the border, either way they will still come through and will be treated harshly in this country.

2.He is young.
I'm not saying that being young is necessarily a good thing but because of his youth he has that optimism and that dream that is lost as you become older. I do believe Hillary would be a great candidate but she lost that dream that younger people seemed to still hold on to that older citizens deem childish.

3.He is just so charismatic
From some of the interview, speeches, and etc. he seems to really bring enthusiasm to citizens of all ages. He really makes people get up and do something about it. I can see a very close resemblence to JFK.

But really who ever wins this time whether it be Mcain, Obama, or Clinton i think i will be really satisfied because Mcain seems to be a little bit more liberal compared to some of the othe republican canidates and Clinton and Obama are really promising.

Feb. 10, 2008 | 4:52 PM Ross responds:

Regarding your point #2, I think Hillary's just as optimistic as Obama, but she's older, and so young people identify with her less. But as my one friend is fond of mentioning, young people historically don't have much of a presence at the polls in November. You know who does? The elderly - they always show up in overwhelming numbers. So maybe it's to Hillary's benefit that she's older.

Updated: Feb. 10, 2008, 4:58 PM

Feb. 10, 2008 | 4:39 PM Yinyangpenguin says:

I support Hillary, so what if Obama predicted the outcome, does that mean he can fix it? If it's Obama vs. McCain, I want John to win. Everything McCain says is true!

Feb. 10, 2008 | 4:50 PM Ross responds:

Um - what's that about McCain?

I'm sure Hillary regrets her vote to authorize the Iraq war, and that in itself speaks to her character (that, unlike our president, she's willing to acknowledge her mistakes) - but she still never should've voted for it in the first place. Seeing what was going to play out in Iraq wasn't like predicting the outcome of a football game - it indicates some deep understanding on Obama's part that I'd like to see him use to put an end to this Iraq madness.


Feb. 10, 2008 | 4:54 PM Kangman says:

Yeah your right but his youth also attract older citizen because i think he has that JFK kind of feel.


Feb. 10, 2008 | 5:01 PM TheSilverGuitar says:

I agree with SaltshakerClock.


Feb. 10, 2008 | 5:12 PM jmtb02 says:

I agree with you. There is a lot to love and a lot less to hate with both candidates. To me, it's finally an election where my choice won't come down to who sucks the least.


Feb. 10, 2008 | 5:51 PM KupaMan says:

I'm not a Democrat, and anymore not quite a Republican either. But I've found myself rooting for Barack Obama lately. While I disagree with a few of his stances, like those on abortion and gun control, I found that he's got an intelligent and passionate opinion on everything. He's also an honest politician. INSANE! On top of this, the Republican party isn't pleasing me. The only Republican I was willing to vote for, Ron Paul, has been beaten and ignored by the party he could have saved. In November, I might be voting for Obama. I just pray that Hillary Clinton does not get the nomination. Clinton ranks above even Giuliani on my "DO NOT WANT" cat meme scale.


Feb. 10, 2008 | 5:54 PM Adzy-2k6 says:

Im not american and don't know much about this, but it seems that anyone is better than Bush.


Feb. 10, 2008 | 6:23 PM Yinyangpenguin says:

Mr. Ross, (I like calling people Mr.) are you saying that we should just do an immediate withdraw from Iraq, just like Vietnam, and show that we are going to NOT finish what we started, at least secure !00% of Baghdad so that Iraq or other countries can work together and take it from there.

Feb. 10, 2008 | 10:17 PM Ross responds:

I don't think the USA should immediately drop its weapons and walk away from Iraq. But let me ask you this: what are the troops over there fighting for? Why are they laying their lives on the line? I know a guy over there right now - why is his life at risk? He knows that he's not defending the USA, and in fact, our continued presence in Iraq has made us less safe. So why are we still there? What does "victory" even look like? Every terrorist dead, and no one left to take their place?

You mentioned Vietnam. America lost in Vietnam, and we won the Cold War anyway. Shouldn't that have provided some kind of lesson about trying to fight an ideology with guns?


Feb. 10, 2008 | 7:31 PM SpadetheHedgehog says:

Polotics hurt my head... So many campaigns. *Slowy crawls into corner*
Hissss... Stay away future presidents... Stay away.


Feb. 10, 2008 | 7:33 PM ShortStackSutin says:

Don't forget that Obama didn't take ANY money from lobbyists and yet somehow managed to raise the same amount as Miss Hilary. He's a man of the people :-D!!

Feb. 10, 2008 | 9:53 PM Ross responds:

It's nice to think of him that way, but Obama does have just as many corporate donors as Hillary (and it's only federal-level lobbyists he won't take donations from - he will take them from state-level ones).

I like Obama and think he's still worth voting for, even though the reality of who he is doesn't quite live up to the hype.


Feb. 10, 2008 | 7:42 PM Kangman says:

Mr. Ross, (I like calling people Mr.) are you saying that we should just do an immediate withdraw from Iraq, just like Vietnam, and show that we are going to NOT finish what we started, at least secure !00% of Baghdad so that Iraq or other countries can work together and take it from there.

wow do you know how uneducated that sounds, do you even know the reason people are saying we should withraw from Iraq? Maybe you should din out before you criticize.


Feb. 10, 2008 | 7:43 PM bob says:

There's a lot to like about Obama, but one of my favorites is that he's in favor of net neutrality (a far cry from calling the Internet a series of tubes): http://www.webware.com/8301-1_109-980 6707-2.html

Feb. 10, 2008 | 8:38 PM Ross responds:

In fairness, Hillary supports it too (though McCain is against it).


Feb. 10, 2008 | 8:00 PM FrozenFire says:

If I root for a Democrat my family would despise me, same as if I tod them I don't believe in god.

:(

But Obama is a good choice, I believe.

THANK GOD I DONT GET TO VOTE :D


Feb. 10, 2008 | 8:28 PM steph2568 says:

i'm all for Obama for president.


Feb. 10, 2008 | 8:44 PM john010117 says:

I, also, am supporting Obama, seeing that the only other candidate I can vote for is Clinton.

Clinton - meh. We should have someone new for a CHANGE (a word that's way too overused in the campaigns)

Go Obama!


Feb. 10, 2008 | 8:58 PM Wholyish says:

Well, I was going for Romney, me being republican and all, but the instant he dropped, I switched to Obama, who was my second choice anyway. I would much rather have Obama as our first black president than Clinton as our first female president. And McCain really doesn't stand much of a chance either way. =P

Feb. 10, 2008 | 9:46 PM Ross responds:

Ugh, Romney was such a slick character. He changed his tune depending on the day of the week, but refused to acknowledge it when called on it. And his fear-mongering dropping-out speech was the all-time sleaziest. Good riddance to him.


Feb. 10, 2008 | 8:58 PM Eli216AkAMcdoAddict says:

I like your stand. If I was an American, I would go for Obama myself although my relatives in San Diego and in New Jersey are supporters of Obama. Obama clearly knows what he's talking about.


Feb. 10, 2008 | 10:05 PM 125Maniac says:

Oh well, in NZ it doesn't really matter, but Obama sounds sane to me.


Feb. 10, 2008 | 11:16 PM CaptainBob says:

As long as Huckabee doesn't get the Republican nomination, I definitely think we are in for a good change who ever is elected. But, I do support Obama, and as other have pointed out, he is like JFK in many ways...and this country needs someone like that, to inspire us.

Feb. 11, 2008 | 8:56 AM Ross responds:

Don't worry about Huckabee - you can stick a fork in him.


Feb. 11, 2008 | 12:51 AM PiGPEN says:

I dont drink but if i did i would want to have a drink with someone smart.
...If not for the enjoyable conversation then to see how stupid the alcohol would make them.

And yeah im gonna support Obama......heck i might even vote (i have American citizenship). The candidate i really wanted was Mike Gravel but thanks to being barred from debates (and having a dramatically shorter amount of questions asked of him then other candidates in the debates he was in) no one really knows who he is.

Unless Mike Gravel switches to an Independent and pulls off some masterful stroke of getting a large amount of public attention to his campaign im going to vote Obama.

Clinton pisses me off with her lying and back pedaling and promising everyone everything and arch typical campaign tactics. You ask anyone why they support Clinton the reasons you get are; "she's smart and like, she's a woman", "She promised there would be no recession if i elect her and that everyone in my family will get cushy jobs with higher pay", "Bill will like....help her and stuff right? it's like two for the price of one zomg!". All of which is bullshit and has nothing to do with what she's actually DONE in the past as a congressman.

Feb. 11, 2008 | 8:55 AM Ross responds:

I like Gravel's views, but he's not electable - he hasn't figured out the whole "packaging" thing that Obama and Hillary have down to a science. Not to mention that he started way behind them in the "fame" department.


Feb. 11, 2008 | 1:29 AM JohnnyUtah says:

i hope aliens vaporize our planet

Feb. 11, 2008 | 8:40 AM Ross responds:

I think they tried recently, but the Fantastic Four saved the day again (curse them).


Feb. 11, 2008 | 11:46 AM walrusgod says:

One of the main reasons I support Obama is the fact that I don't think Hillary can reliably reach out to those who don't currently believe in her...in fact, she seems almost as polarizing as Bush has been to some people, and that scares me quite a bit. I actually liked Edwards more than Hillary (but not as much as Obama), and although I love the ideas of Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich, they were too radical to be realistically electable.

And, although I think McCain will be a better choice than Bush, I have a lot of reservations about ol' John. Over the last decade or so, he seems to have moved slowly farther and farther to the right (although apparently not enough for the evangelical nutjobs), and I agree that his views on Iraq are, at best, frightening.


Feb. 11, 2008 | 1:32 PM q13qew says:

dont you gusy love bush heheh

Feb. 11, 2008 | 6:46 PM Ross responds:

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not a fan.


Feb. 11, 2008 | 7:01 PM schtic says:

I'm not a fan of Obama, he is way too naive.

Feb. 11, 2008 | 9:35 PM Ross responds:

What you consider naivete, others might consider one of his selling points.


Feb. 11, 2008 | 7:13 PM Hyperion says:

I'm also an Obama proponent, for simmilar reasons. I think he's the only candidate that represents a major turn in this nation's direction at this point.


Feb. 11, 2008 | 7:59 PM kunoro32 says:

i would vote for obama to . becuse younger pepole seem to have more ideas . not only that i cant of one thing hillary clinton did when she was first lady.


Feb. 11, 2008 | 8:14 PM voidshatter says:

im with ya ross! if i could vote that is... =-=


Feb. 11, 2008 | 9:03 PM Frogcloset says:

I glad i Live in England, No need for this debate. we just sit around letting anyone have a go at running the country because we all voted for a third party for a giggle.


Feb. 11, 2008 | 9:05 PM EvilEgg says:

If i could vote i'd be going for Obama also.

For all of the reasons ross has said he has a good overview and almost exactly identical reasons to why I would vote for him.

Now there's one thing i must say.

Ok why do people turn things into a race issue? It's almost always that way. Heres some examples

1.first black coach in superbowl
2.first black head ref in superbowl
3.possibly first black president
4.first possibly woman president

The list goes on.

But honestly why do we have to turn everything into a race issue. And people ask why do African americans or women get so upset about shit.

It's not because they don't get credit or are never involved! It is because all of us turn every damn thing into a gender or race issue.

Feb. 11, 2008 | 9:46 PM Ross responds:

It'd be nice to think that we live in a color-blind society, but we don't yet. And seeing as how we've had 43 presidents in a row who were white men - it is pretty noteworthy that we might be poised to break that streak (kind of like Cal Ripken Jr. breaking Lou Gerhig's seemingly-unbreakable consecutive games record).

It'd be nice if a black/female president was an unremarkable occurence, but until it happens at least a few times, it won't be.


Feb. 12, 2008 | 12:57 AM Hammi says:

Bah...

I understand your optimism for Obama and all. And i know you wish to have an end to the Iraq war just like everybody else. Hes pretty much getting along with the people of America and i can see how much that is appealing. However, he still isnt going to give the nation a rest if he wins. Remember during his campaign some months back where he said that he would send forces to Pakistan no matter what the government there says? If he gets tight up on Pakistan, hes gonna destabilize the country more than it is now and no way in hell will i accept this. He doesnt care what the people of Pakistan say about his actions, all he does is keep carrying on his own interests. Id say hes a lil numb in his head if hes gonna send forces to Pakistan "to take care of things". The world opinion wont stay quiet.

Feb. 12, 2008 | 1:47 PM Ross responds:

He overreached with that statement about Pakistan, and has backed off from it. You can crucify him for it if you want, but I'm over it.


Feb. 12, 2008 | 9:29 AM Mechabloby says:

Okay, I have something decent to say, now. :)

I support Barack Obama for president because I'm sure if he won the election, that would really cut down on the racism/prejudicism in the south of America. (You know, the places filled with people who hate black people, Jewish, gays and all that jazz) I'm sure Hilary Clinton could of done the same too because people are still sexist nowadays - even though women have all the same rights as men, nowadays - but having a black president, well, I just feel that it'll have much more of an impact, ya'know? Meh, my reason might be rubbish or whatever but I stick by it.


Feb. 12, 2008 | 10:24 AM PinballWizard976 says:

You got my vote Ross.

Nah, I'm an Obama supporter too. XD


Feb. 12, 2008 | 3:46 PM EvilEgg says:

"It'd be nice to think that we live in a color-blind society, but we don't yet. And seeing as how we've had 43 presidents in a row who were white men - it is pretty noteworthy that we might be poised to break that streak (kind of like Cal Ripken Jr. breaking Lou Gerhig's seemingly-unbreakable consecutive games record).

It'd be nice if a black/female president was an unremarkable occurence, but until it happens at least a few times, it won't be."

Well now that i think about the president thing. It has been 100 years and not a single black president. But has there been any black man or woman trying to get nominated by their party? Not to the best of my recollection no.

Anyway the sports things and stuff. Thats dumb. I mean who cares taking race into account is stupid unless we are talking about presidency.

Feb. 13, 2008 | 11:15 AM Ross responds:

If you think the reason there hasn't been a black or female president in the history of country is that none of them tried, you haven't been paying attention in history class. Did you know that, less than 100 years ago, women in America didn't have the right to vote? And 50 years ago, black Americans were second-class citizens. From a historical perspective, the fact that we now stand on the brink of electing a woman or black president is a testament to how far we've come as a society.


Feb. 12, 2008 | 5:08 PM John-The-Biter says:

Your so wise! Personally, I would never register as one party, I vote for whoever is better. Personally, I think people who say Barack Obams has no experince don't realize the point. Plenty of presidents lacked experince. George Washington. James Monroe. Heath Ledg- Oops :) I like his stance on most things, but I think a timetable should be set up for Iraq (and actually followed). He seems to have great Ideas and who knows, he might be next in line for commander-and-chief!


Feb. 12, 2008 | 11:36 PM Hybrid-Of-Souls says:

Fun fact: Hilary plans to divorce Bill if she doesn't get elected president.
Would that be another reason to go for Obama?

Feb. 13, 2008 | 11:00 AM Ross responds:

That's not true.


Feb. 12, 2008 | 11:48 PM LilDwarf says:

I'm not from the US so bear with me Ross :)

But I don't get it, you have to register to a party so you can vote for them? Can't you vote for whoever you want?

Feb. 13, 2008 | 11:01 AM Ross responds:

In the general election, yes. In the primaries to decide who represents each party in the general election, no. Then, depending on the state, you can only vote for the candidates within the party with which you're registered. (Some states allow anyone to vote for anyone.)


Feb. 12, 2008 | 11:51 PM LilDwarf says:

Also, I don't know if you saw this but he gave an interview for CNN en espanol, and I was surprised at how he knows about the many problems in Latin America, and how accurate what he said was.


Feb. 13, 2008 | 1:40 AM 1337leader says:

Nah I think Hillary's better because she has more experience in the White House(damn spell checker) and Barrack doesn't have much. When Bush gets kicked she should be able to pull us out of this mess and then maybe Barrack can run the country but until then I support Hillary.

Feb. 13, 2008 | 11:02 AM Ross responds:

She has experience as the wife of the president. I don't put a ton of value in that - but executive experience isn't at the top of my list of criteria, either.


Feb. 13, 2008 | 12:37 PM Senti says:

It might be Fluff...but with stuff like this ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mY Y ) circling around how can you NOT vote for me. I registered democrat just to vote in the primaries as well.

I would like nothing more in this election than to see Obama take the seat in the oval office. But you bring up some good points, and regardless of who wins, we know it won't be Bush.


Feb. 13, 2008 | 5:35 PM Squeky says:

I'm a replubican (always will be) but if i have to choose between Barrack and Clinton, it'll be Barrack (I hate the Clintons so much).
Oh yeah, just hope one of the candidates don't ban weapons (then I can't go hunting) otherwise I won't vote for him/her (which candidate is gonna ban weapons)

Feb. 14, 2008 | 12:15 PM Ross responds:

"Candidate XYZ wants to take your gun away!" Right-wingers love to say this, but it's never been true. Nobody will ever touch your hunting rifles. Semi-automatic weapons are another story, but I've never met anyone who goes hunting with those.


Feb. 13, 2008 | 7:49 PM roflmaomgodanm says:

i agree,lets give him a chance,i mean not alot of black people are on history,but whatever are on the history timeline,they have done great things.(btw a black person made pixel animation)


Feb. 14, 2008 | 9:59 AM TheSoulMan says:

pick the best thing you can get in the weeds if you have to, that's what i think


Feb. 14, 2008 | 10:59 PM SkeletonKing says:

Part of me hopes the American people are intelligent enough to make the correct decision and place Obama in the White House. Another part reminds the first that the average citizen is a complete moron.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.


Feb. 15, 2008 | 1:00 AM SprintT says:

The real sad thing is IF this man wins there is a good chance he will be killed soon there after. America we live in; still stuck in the days of racism? You be the judge.

Feb. 16, 2008 | 8:50 PM Ross responds:

While I acknowledge that there are many crazed, redneck idiots within this nation's borders, I don't think one of them would immediately try to kill Obama, were he to be elected.


Feb. 15, 2008 | 1:41 AM W-A-C says:

How can you consider this election a win-win situation? McCain has lost his mind. Sure, he's an improvement over Bush but his views on the Iraq war are just idiotic. Not only that but I think he's being less true to himself this election just to get nominated which ticks me off.

While I understand why you voted for Nader, I think that probably wasn't a good decision. If a lot of people who voted for Nader instead voted for Al Gore in the 2000 election, Al Gore would've probably won. In Florida, Al Gore only needed 538 more votes in that state to win the election. Considering how Nader is a hardcore liberal, a lot of the 97,488 votes he got from that state probably would've went to Gore. Our country would've been so much better off without Bush as our president. If only if only...

Anyways, what's your opinion of Dennis Kucinich?. I would much rather have Kucinich over Obama as our president anyday. I was originally going to vote for him but because he dropped out, I ended up voting for Obama. Also, to anyone claiming he's unelectable because of his political views, he's only "unelectable" because of the fact many people don't vote their beliefs in the primaries. If he somehow managed to get the Democratic nomination, I think he would've had a really good chance of getting elected. He even wanted to have Ron Paul as his vice president to balance things out. While I was disappointed when I found out Kucinich voted yes on the Economic Stimulus Package, at least he voted on it. Obama and Hilary didn't even vote on it. Fucking cowards. If you're wondering why I didn't vote for Gravel, the main reason is because I don't think he would be a good leader.

Feb. 16, 2008 | 8:48 PM Ross responds:

You're saying "shame on me" for voting for Nader, and in the very next paragraph you're telling me how you wanted to vote for Kucinich? Um... pot calling kettle black, anyone? I like Dennis Kucinich and would vote for him if he had a realistic shot. But he doesn't.

I followed my heart in 2000, and became a pragmatist since. There's no doubt that without Nader, Gore wins in 2000, no Iraq war, etc. (And it should be noted that I voted for Nader in Pennsylvania, which went for Al Gore.)


Feb. 17, 2008 | 3:15 PM IamWeird33 says:

Obama wants to pull out of Iraq. But then he wants to redeploy in Pakistan (without aproval of Pakistan's President) where he believes the terrorists are.

Feb. 19, 2008 | 1:25 PM Ross responds:

Sigh. This Pakistan stuff is an attack job on Obama by his political enemies. He made a statement at one point, from which he has since backed away.

http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/a rticles/2007/08/07/news/top/8d9e9 6c628c098008625732f008341f5.txt


Feb. 17, 2008 | 9:21 PM JonBro says:

I do not like Hillary.

She is the WIFE of BILL CLINTON, and she was only crying because she was losing the election. She tried to cover that up by saying she 'changed her voice' and shaped her entire campaign to be like Obama's just to get more votes. If she became president of the USA, the whole country would feel gypped. Seriously, she's like Lucy in "PEANUTS" -- she will do anything to be queen.

That's why I'm more toward Obama or McCain. They seem more like presidents to me.

Feb. 19, 2008 | 1:32 PM Ross responds:

Why do some people put certain words ("WIFE", "BILL CLINTON") in caps? Does it represent shouting/anger?


Feb. 17, 2008 | 11:08 PM Vousielle says:

Obama's gonna be a Jimmy Carter that gets things done.

Obama '08!


Feb. 17, 2008 | 11:30 PM ifailtestsnot says:

Did you just put this up to spark a contoversy on newgrounds?


Feb. 18, 2008 | 1:30 PM Vert says:

That's a very articulate and well reasoned argument for voting for Obama, but let me add a few questions to each of your points (forgive me my ignorance on many aspects, since I do live in Brazil) so as to test you:

1 - Correcting predicting the outcome of the war is one thing (and if the speech you linked to is real, then he got it spot on), but dealing with it's consequences is another thing. What is Barack plan for dealing with the war? How realistic is it? And, futhermore, how it deal with the issue of the iraquis themselves? With hundreds dying every week over there, it's vitally important that whatever the solution is taken, it's what's best for the iraquis and not just for americans (i.e., ditch and run may lead to a worser outcome then doing something else).

2 - Excelent point, but Obama's lack of campaign experience surely counts against him, right? And are you sure that Obama is better than Clinton against McCain? After all, isn't she more of a centrist candidate than Obama?

3 - Well, I can't really argue with this one, since I have no idea whose the more inteligent of the two, nor who would be more able to "unite everyone".

Feb. 19, 2008 | 1:31 PM Ross responds:

"if the speech you linked to is real"? Obama's 2002 speech on the war is well-circulated and well-known.

And his plan for getting out of Iraq is right here:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues /iraq/

There's no "ditch and run", as right-wingers are fond of saying. To me, it all comes down to this: the war was a mistake, and is not making us safer. The US soldiers over there are in harm's way now to save face and play "world police". If you had a brother about to be shipped over there, putting his life in danger, how would that make you feel? He probably signed up for the military to defend his country, and now his life's at risk due to the Bush administration's colossal mistake. You'd be okay with that?


Feb. 19, 2008 | 12:23 AM SlashFirestorm says:

I really, really hope Obama wins the nomination. I think Hillary could do a better job than McCain, and I would vote for her if she's the nominee, but she just seems like more of the same kind of government to me.

Obama ain't perfect, but he does seem...special. Something that our country hasn't seen in a long, long time.

It's funny...back in 2004 I was a rank-and-file Republican who voted for Bush with eager enthusiasm. Now, only a few years later, I'm Barack-and-rolling. I think it's a positive change. :-D

Feb. 19, 2008 | 1:26 PM Ross responds:

I agree. :)


Feb. 19, 2008 | 2:21 PM Vert says:

Sorry about the speech thing, I was just so amazed by the accuracy of his speech that I suspected foul play; I'll take your word for it that it's well known and circulated (remember, I am brazilian and live in Brazil, I don't have acess to some media you do). And perhaps you didn't quite understand the objective of my questions, I was merely trying to be a "devil's advocate" with you to see how strong are your convictions.

As for his plan, I have to be completly honest with you: I don't know how to deal with the mess over there. Maybe it's something akin to the troop surge, maybe it's leaving the country. Both strategies have big obstacles and problems and neither seem "right", but I admit that I don't belive that I have suficent knowledge to make proper judgement.

What I am afraid of is a "total collapse" of Iraq, which admitly could happen with either plan. The US invaded Iraq (for all the wrong reasons), it now has a duty and responsability towards the people of Iraq to deal with that mess.

I'm sorry for the soldiers fighting over a wrong war over there and of course I wouldn't want to send my brother to fight; but while american losses have numbered in the thousands, Iraq losses number in the hundred's of thousands and that means it's paramount to help them. "How" is a open question which the next US president has to deal with and I pray that whoever it is, they make the right decision.

Oh, and you never did quite answer my point number 2...

=]

Feb. 19, 2008 | 5:03 PM Ross responds:

It is a sticky situation, no doubt, but I don't think the answer is a neverending conflict that results in more pointless death and injury. I think Obama's on the right track, in terms of a phased withdrawal that says to the fledgeling Iraq government, okay, we are definitely leaving, it's now or never. And if the situation is still a mess (which it likely will be), then go to the UN, do some mea culpas on behalf of George W. Bush's ignorance, and make fixing it a coordinated, global effort - but stop sacrificing innocent Americans and Iraqis for a political mistake.

I agree that the political entity known as the "USA" has an obligation to correct the mistake it made. But I have a tough time tying real people to that mistake, such as my friend who's over there right now. Why is he paying the price for George W. Bush's callousness?

And regarding your point #2, I acknowledged Obama's inexperience in my original post. It's probably his greatest weakness - no doubt. And yes, every poll has confirmed the conventional wisdom that Obama does better against McCain than Hillary.

Updated: Feb. 19, 2008, 5:11 PM

Feb. 20, 2008 | 10:42 AM Vert says:

Briefly, since were going completly off topic here, but since your replies are well reasoned and thought out I can't help myself:

Certainly, if it's possible, the US could and should request the help of other countries in Iraq (some countries, such as Iran and Syria could help out in a significant manner). But as much as I feel for the soldiers in Iraq, which are real people, this humanitarian crises was created by the US not just as a "political entity", but with the implicit backing of it's people. How? The 2004 election.

I know, I know, not everybody voted for Bush in 2004. Futhermore, in 2000, Bush presented himself in a completly diferent manner and it's hard to blaim the voters for putting him there intitially (I mean, I wouldn't vote for him, but I can understand other people for doing so).

But, nether-the-less, in 2004 the US knew who Bush was and knew exactly what they were getting. And in 2004, it's far from clear that the current crysis was inevitable (i.e., with John Kerry things MIGHT have been diferent). So, as a representive of the "will" of the american people, that put's part of the burden on the american people themselves.

So it's not just the US as a political entity, but the american people who have a duty towards the people of Iraq and must somehow deal with this situation. This will most likely mean sacrifices (in either plan), terrible one's that should never be requested, but when hundred of thousands of people are dying, this responsability must be taken up.


Feb. 20, 2008 | 11:05 PM Zack says:

I think I would vote for him but his view on health care scares the heck out of me. Other than that I'd take him over everyone else.

Feb. 22, 2008 | 12:21 PM Ross responds:

What scares you about it?


Feb. 21, 2008 | 7:27 AM W-A-C says:

I didn't mean "shame on you". I was just wondering if you regretted your vote or not. In primaries, I vote idealistically. In general elections, I plan to vote for "the lesser of the two evils." I don't blame Nader for what happened in the general election. I just wish he didn't act like both candidates were pretty much the same. To be perfectly honest, I plan to register for the Green party which is what Nader ran under in the 2000 election. (Well, he ran as a "independent Green".)

Feb. 25, 2008 | 3:12 PM Ross responds:

From the perspective of the progressive causes Nader's spent his life fighting for, both parties are pretty similar.


Feb. 23, 2008 | 7:46 PM blueXXXL says:

i think obama would make an okay president unlike the republicans he is not just about helping the rich people why do they need help anyway and i dont thinki could deal with hilary i honestly think we need change so why put another clinton in the white house plus i am a women and i know how we can get


Feb. 23, 2008 | 11:05 PM phoenix881 says:

dude i'm all for obama. and honestly i hope hilary dosen't win, if i jsut dont think she would do well as president and if u think about it shes technicly been president already. whod do u think told bill what to do.


Feb. 24, 2008 | 9:35 AM lennypenny says:

While I do see your point I'm more of a Hilary supporter! (not that it makes any difference because I live in a different country). There are some points where I agree more with Obama than I do with Hilary, but I really think Hilary would make a brilliant president for the US.


Feb. 28, 2008 | 1:46 PM HellishShadow666 says:

I'm an Obama supporter all the way, but one major turn off is his wife. She seems to be angry about so much yet she has had it made for most of her life. But we're not electing her we're electing Obama. Which also leads to another question: Hilary was the first lady and using the same principals as Obama and his wife what exactly is all this "experience" people constantly talk about? And on a lighter note, if Hillary IS elected, will Bill be the first lady?


Mar. 12, 2008 | 11:51 AM Mr-Money says:

The reason is because you're foolish. He's bought-and-paid for just like the rest of them. Soon enough this will become apparent to you, Ross.

Mar. 13, 2008 | 1:15 AM Ross responds:

Like I said, I have no illusions about our two-party system. But I don't think the solution is to remove yourself from the process entirely. Obama's the best of what's up there, and so he gets my support.


Mar. 14, 2008 | 8:48 PM loverdude1 says:

I'm glad to see you are very integrated to this election. I wish all the health and security for Obama.

Hey, have you seen his website?


Mar. 15, 2008 | 4:37 PM godisalmightynow says:

Ron Paul 2012!!!!!

If he lives that long anyway....

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