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Why I won't vote for Rudy Giuliani for president.

Posted by Ross Jan. 2, 2008 @ 11:43 AM EST

Some people like Rudy Giuliani for the way he cleaned up New York City in the 1990s, and that's great. But I'll never vote for anyone who engages in such blatant fear-mongering and attempts to exploit 9/11 for his personal gain, claiming that a Republican president makes us safer while a Democratic one puts us in danger.

Keith Olbermann nails him dead to rights in an eight-minute condemnation here:

http://unamericanrevolution.com/electi ons/a-scent-of-revolution-in-the-air/

Instead of reaching out to the best in people, Giuliani takes the ultimate low road and tries to use fear of another terror attack to obtain votes. Isn't that what terrorists themselves do - use fear as a means to an end? Olbermann points out this root of Giuliani's hypocrisy when he says, in my favorite line from his indictment: "Claim a difference between the parties on the voters' chances of survival - and you do bin Laden's work for him."

Olbermann's commentary ends with FDR's famous words about fear, and they've never been more relevant. Time to go home, Rudy - we're not buying what you're selling.

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19 Comments

Jan. 2, 2008 | 11:58 AM fetusdoctor says:

I try to give Republicans a fair chance, I really do. And I was kind of excited when I heard the news that Giuliani was a "liberal Republican". I kind of felt like, whether or not Giuliani won, or a democrat won, that everyone would win. But since Giuliani has started running for president he's just been beating the conservative drums as loud as possible, and pretending that he's never owned a pair of liberal drums.

I'm glad to see Tom reaching out to help developing nations, and other staff such as yourself on this site truly concerned about politics and the state of affairs in the world. It makes this place really feel like something you know, and not just an interesting cartoon and games site focused entirely on money-making.

And fuck yeah, Olbermann is the only TV commentator I've seen who's willing to call it as he sees it.

But yeah, topic at point. Giuliani can barely open his mouth without the phrase "9/11" falling out of it. It's really sad.

Jan. 2, 2008 | 12:49 PM Ross responds:

I was the same - I used to think, okay, if Rudy wins, we could do a lot worse. But watching him turn his back on his left-leaning policies as mayor, and then his transformation into complete GOP dittohead with his fear-mongering boilerplate, has made me see him as no better than what we've currently got. Fortunately, I don't think he'll win the nomination (seems like it's Romney's to lose at this point) but the fact that he was the lead horse for so long is scary.

And yeah, no one appreciates it, but Tom is one of the most genuine & caring people you'll ever find in his position. In an environment dominated by corporate websites and everyone out for the quick buck, Tom is unique.

Updated: Jan. 2, 2008, 12:50 PM

Jan. 2, 2008 | 2:38 PM CaptainBob says:

I've seen firsthand just how generous Tom is so I have a great deal of appreciation for it :)

Giuliani is simply pulling the old Republican standby, play to the very conservative base. It's all about the electoral politics. I think people who vote based on one issue (guns, abortion, stem cell research, gay marriage) can all jump off a cliff and let the rest of us vote. I'm fearing this election will turn into another Election 2000 secanario, only with slightly better choices than Bush and Gore. And still I feel that McCain would make the best president out of all of them, just like in 2000. I might not agree with him all of the time, but I think he would make the best President, which is what people should be voting on, not if he is pro-choice, ect. But of course McCain has no shot in hell...again....

Jan. 4, 2008 | 11:56 AM Ross responds:

I don't agree at all with McCain's support of the Iraq debacle, and I hate to see him pander to Bible-beaters, but if I had to support a Republican, it'd be him. I think he's got the character and the ability to reach across the aisle that a President needs.

But I think this year is vastly different from 2000. Back then, we were coming off eight years of relative calm and prosperity, and the candidates' differences seemed minor. Today we're facing the huge foreign policy blunder that is Iraq, skyrocketing health insurance costs, and six years of "the terrorists hate us because they hate our freedom" stupidity. Not to mention coming off two terms of one of the most stubborn, dogmatic administrations of all time.

Polls have shown, and I agree, that change is in the air, and that's why I think Obama is the candidate of the moment.

Updated: Jan. 4, 2008, 11:57 AM

Jan. 2, 2008 | 3:29 PM KupaMan says:

None of the republicans look promising. Ron Paul, like everyone on Youtube is adamant to prove, checks out, but he doesn't stand a ghost of a chance (Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged, anyone?). The rest of them are using terrible tactics to scrape in votes, and overall trying not to show how much they suck. Giuliani likes to suck the 9/11 tit as dry as possible, Huckabee is pandering to religious patriots, Thompson is bumbling like someone's crazy war grandpa, and Romney is just trying to prove he isn't a robot.

Jan. 4, 2008 | 11:37 AM Ross responds:

Ron Paul is honest and has some views I support (like getting out of Iraq) but many I don't. He's a Republican in name only - he's really a Libertarian. And like Libertarianism, I think he's destined to remain on the fringe, as some of his views are just too extreme for mainstream America.


Jan. 2, 2008 | 6:28 PM ImpendingRiot says:

Hell yeah.

I'm excited, this is the first year I can vote, and I sure as hell am not voting for Rudy.

In fact, I'd be arsed to vote for republican at all, yeah Ron Paul is catchy and all, but he doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell, and frankly, his supporters are a tad to cult like for my taste.

Anyways, I'll be equally damned to vote for Hillary. I loved Bill, but I think shes too much of an Ice Queen to be in office.

So, I am, at least right now, planning to vote for Obama. He seems like he has to least potential to screw things up here further. Seems like a decent guy who hasn't been corrupted by the system just yet.


Jan. 2, 2008 | 8:29 PM LtMcMuffin says:

Isn't that what George Bush used to get elected a second time? And what all the Republicans have used for mostly everything?
I won't vote for Giuliani, because being a mayor and fixing New York City has little to nothing to do compared to running an entire nation. His only experience with foreign policy is from West Side Story.
None of the Republicans are worth voting for... Huckabee is just the final nail in the coffin.


Jan. 2, 2008 | 8:36 PM LtMcMuffin says:

And for ImpendingRiot, he is uncorrupt because he has had little to no chance to become corrupt. He is inexperienced, and corruption will thrive because it will go unchecked right under his nose.
Hillary is hardly an ice queen, and has an honest understanding of how our nation functions, having been active in politics since before Obama kicked the drugs.

(Sorry for the second post)


Jan. 3, 2008 | 5:18 PM punchyguy says:

I wont vote for him either. im not old enough to vote, but the point stands.


Jan. 3, 2008 | 6:44 PM SkeletonKing says:

I'm liking this Olbermann fellow.


Jan. 3, 2008 | 7:57 PM squeakytoad says:

Excellent points. I personally would never want Giuliani leading the country, but for many other reasons as well.

Lousy idea to post about it here on NG though. Heh.
The majority here have no clue about anything political, yet continue to rant on as if they were experts. They also have this knack for thinking they're thinking independently and not subject to influence of other sources, when really everything they spout from their little mouths has come from some popular website or 'cool' TV show. What they really mean by not being influenced is that they don't watch FOX news because it's not the cool thing to do.


Jan. 4, 2008 | 2:31 AM fmafan1 says:

think about it...president huckabee!!!!!! :D

...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!(in case u didn't know, that's the sound of the world laughing)

seriously, im voting independent....


Jan. 4, 2008 | 9:25 AM The-Swain says:

Hmm, too many candidates. Just keep up with the research and tell me who to vote for when the time comes. Also, let me know if Nader comes back.

Jan. 4, 2008 | 11:27 AM Ross responds:

Actually, Nader said he supported John Edwards in Iowa! That caught me by surprise.


Jan. 4, 2008 | 4:28 PM PlatinumX9 says:

I really agree with your politicle views. Who do you want to win? Im favoring Obama, even though I can't vote XD.


Jan. 4, 2008 | 8:31 PM steph2568 says:

for the 2008 elections, i want either Barack Obama or Hilary Clinton for president. i mean c'mon, look at what happens when you vote someone like Bush for president. *Sigh* i just hope that the people who are voting don't make the same mistake twice.

Jan. 5, 2008 | 3:53 PM Ross responds:

Bush already had two terms - if they louse up 2008, they'll be making the same mistake three times...


Jan. 4, 2008 | 10:22 PM homor says:

phhff, i hated him before it was cool.

also i sae his fear-mongering ad on fox news.

i still like to watch fox news despite the fact that it leans towards the right.

whats good is they still try to stay a little balanced.

Jan. 7, 2008 | 1:00 AM Ross responds:

Hahaha... Fox News, fair and balanced - that's funny.


Jan. 5, 2008 | 12:33 AM SoulMaster71 says:

Actually, I kinda like Giuliani better than I like the other Republicans. He thinks far more like a liberal than, say, Romney or Huckabee (as proven both by his positions in New York, and by his personal life), and yet remains tough on crime. If it were to come down to him versus Hillary, even if he were to pull out as much 9/11 fearmongering as Bush did in '04, I'd still vote for him over her. Not over Obama, not over some of the less-popular Democratic candidates, but he'd still be better for America than, say, a President who denies hard science for religious orthodoxy (like Huckabee), or a person who aided their spouse in lying to their nation and stealing furniture (like Clinton).

Even so, his fearmongering is probably not the best idea. People are now sick of the war in Iraq, and even sicker of the economic problems caused in part by the war (but more because of reckless spending, Iraq being only a small part of that). By playing to fears like Bush did in both 2004 (when he was a success), and in 2006 (when his party, of course, lost control of Congress), he is probably more likely to remind voters of how little Republicans have done to stop the basic causes of Islamic fundamentalist terrorism (and in fact contributed to its causes, and proved right the terrorists' thoughts that the USA is an imperialist overlord and must be stopped, by the invasion), than he is to remind them of the actual attack. So his fearmongering may just be his downfall, if his opponents play it right.

Jan. 7, 2008 | 12:59 AM Ross responds:

What does it mean to be "tough on crime"? Is there a candidate who's "soft on crime"?

And beyond his fear-mongering and extremely hawkish stance on Iraq, I dislike the fact that Rudy took all these intelligent, liberal positions as mayor of New York, and is now trying to marginalize or renounce them to be more appealing to the Republican base. That, to me, smells like pure opportunism - "I'll be whatever it takes to get elected."


Jan. 6, 2008 | 12:27 AM lardass69 says:

I won't vote for him because he's TOO liberal. Also, every sentence out of his mouth is comprised of a noun, a verb, and 9/11.

Jan. 7, 2008 | 12:57 AM Ross responds:

You stole Joe Biden's line! (And it was a good one.)


Jan. 7, 2008 | 12:50 AM peterf1 says:

Truly, this is the definition of nailed. If I had to vote for a republican, it would probably be Jhon Mcain, because he can compromise. It's hard to not fear-monger when your main claim to fame is "I was mayor of New York before and after 9/11 ." Still, I can't vote for three more years, so i'll start to care even more attention in 11' .


Jan. 7, 2008 | 9:35 PM SoulMaster71 says:

Actually, all candidates do that. The whole opportunism thing, I mean. If Giuliani were to win (and he probably won't due to his liberal past and evangelical influence in the Republican party, but let's say hypothetically he does), he'd be certain to go back to what he did as mayor. They all do. No matter what a candidate promises on the podium, though, the day after the election they go back to their previous pattern of thought, and do their job based on that.

And by "tough on crime", I meant that Giuliani was renowned, as mayor of New York, for lowering the crime rate. The candidates who came in the election after his time was up all jumped at the chance to promise to continue his policies against crime. This shows that his positions were popular with the people, which means that they probably contributed to their safety.

Jan. 9, 2008 | 10:29 AM Ross responds:

I disagree about the opportunism - some candidates pander more to their audience than others, and Giuliani and Mitt Romney strike me as the biggest offenders of it. Their personas from their days of being mayor/governor in largely liberal areas ten years ago are starkly different from their presidential platforms. Contrast that with, say, Ron Paul - how often has he suddenly changed what he stands for, to get elected?


Jan. 10, 2008 | 4:06 AM DarkMan2003 says:

I think alot of people are mesmerized by their ideals on a person, than the reality, anyway! It seems like the media twists & contorts our viewpoint so much, askewed doesn't quite cut it in the description realm! If you read my latest blog, you'll see a little more into the heart of what I'm saying! I don't know much about the Candidates this year, probably because I'm to busy escaping into my "Fantasy Internet World" too much to even care! I admit it, I've become an escapist, & the internet is my drug of choice (when I'm not playing one of my consoles)! Back to whining about politics, however... I was raised Republican... you know how that goes, now I'm pretty damn liberal! Giuliani has his strong points like everyone else I'm sure... but frankly, I really don't care who wins! It's the same shite no matter the outcome of the "rigged" contest! Every President pisses someone off, you can't please everybody at the same time as they say! So no matter who wins, people will be happy (unless you voted for bush, & then realized what a schmuck you were for doing so... going out to your car late at night to scrape the bumper sticker off of your car, so that you can pretend that you didn't support him... because you are a worthless hack who doesn't deserve to breathe my air, I'll see ya in hell!) & unhappy as the case may be... either way, their are elections every 4 years so we can remedy one mistake with another! Thanx for your time! Take it easy brother!

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